planes came from. defense officials say the aircrafts flew in and were not detected a bus with 50 iranians passed by. in the dead of night vision was none. eight persons killed, four others seriously burned. leaving the dead behind. the remaining members of the team boarded the plane. >> there was no reason to believe the hostages would be released at any time in the forseable future. several times had been mentioned you may recall, may, june, july the end of the year and indefinite. >> as president unknown that our entire nation feels a deep gratitude for the brave men that were prepared to rescue those americans from captivity. and i know as an american that we have a determination to persevere. >> when the news of the disaster reached iran, thousands of jubilant iranians ran around and chanted we have won again saying that god was on their side. it was learned today that the -- nine hostaged approved to be saved first because they were in the biggest danger. the iranians double agents had americans using u.s. communication would have given the signal to the rescue commandos. al

of the israel 2,008 invasion of gaza. this time around the rules are different. the missile defense system improve the iron dome stopping the incoming rockets but hamas is better armed having the backing of the islamist government in egypt for presenting a challenge for the gabbana administration. and admiral james lyons from the pacific fleet and congressmen covert from texas. obama once more than $1 trillion of tax hikes but will not renounce spending. the "chalk talk" what that does not add up to anything meaningful we will talk with one guest to stifle economic growth. also to analyze this cycle to bring down the head of the cia. admiral, it is good to have you with us. turned to the talking points. it seems no one after general petraeus made it clear their ranges in the talking points, testimony has been surveyed and mike rogers said it has to be the white house everybody else testified. >> by a agree. i am sure the white house representative council had marching orders. lou: and petraeus said part of the confusion between the testimony he gave to congress three days after sept

, this time around, however, the rules are vastly different. israel's missile defense systems greatly improved, the iron dome successfully intercepting hundreds of in coming rockets, but, israel is facing a better armed hamas, that has the backing of a new islamist government in egypt. this all presenting a serious challenge for both the united states, and the obama administration. and, new obstacles in creating a genuine israeli-palestinian peace process. we'll take all of that up here tonight, with admiral james lyons, retired commander of the u.s. pacific fleet and also, president obama wants more in the $1.5 trillion in tax hikes, but he has no plan -- or announced cuts in spending, why those tax hikes don't add up to anything meaningful and we'll talk with the ceo of cke restaurants, andy puzder and says, tax rates will stifle economic growth and our favorite doctors are here, to psychoanalyze the scandal that brought down the head of the cia. we are delighted to be joined, now, by thedmiral james lyons, retired commander of the u.s. pacific fleet. it is always good to have you w

do so. joining us now is tim mak, defense reporter for political. he comes to us tonight from washington, d.c. tim thank you so much for being here. >> thank you, governor. >> jennifer: how important was it to regional stability that this deal was brokered by both the u.s. and egypt's muslim brotherhood. >> it's extremely important. the question is how durable this ceasefire will be. every day israelis living in the area around the gaza strip don't believe it's durable. tomorrow morning the schools in two of the towns within range, they are going to be close, and the reason is people aren't sure hamas will keep to its end of the bargain. >> jennifer: obviously those rockets out of the gaza today are some indication of that. this is not a permanent solution, but how are both sides spinning it? >> sure. there the israel standpoint they are saying this conflict has allowed us to demonstrate the resiliency of this iron dome defense system. gaza has been able to say we have been able to fight off a lot of attacks from israel this shows our resiliency. their coming to a ceasefire is

including that of an attorney pseudocode a former defense minister he was sacked by president of the macpro tonight this month after corruption allegations of his time bomb squad with details. police searched eighteen holidaying recreational cottages outside moscow used by former defense minister and italy sergio colvin eighteen other defense officials those cottages were rented by another defense official himself arrested in connection with the defense contractor yanker and the possibility that it was involved with corruption involving the defense ministry this all comes after you have guinea a vastly over a high figure within the defense ministry and a close associate of suited cards she herself has been charged with embezzlement she was involved with a defense contractor all the wrong service and a few weeks ago the scandal broke that there possibly was alleged to have been a scheme to sell off eleven million dollars worth of defense property cheaply if she's convicted gania could face up to ten years in prison and unfortunately it goes beyond that as well possibly into russia's. satelli

turn to you. the code words, the defensive ambassador rice. she lied to the american people. it was part of the job description. that is not an adequate defense. >> it is not. living back in the 60's and trying to use that in 2012 to intimidate people to back off. she is incompetent. no question about it. she should know better. she was selected by the white %-you have to be selected by the white house to appear on five sunday shows. lou: she should a knowledge that he did that, but my question is this. this is where it seems to be a fair question of balance. why in the world are people talking about the incompetence, arrogance, and the bad judgment of david petraeus? the horrible conduct by this administration. that -- they have singled out, and i think it is fair. they have singled out ambassador rise as the lightning rod in this when the president -- take on me. i would be glad to oblige. i think it is absolutely inexcusable the way he is conducting his administration. >> i think people like -- people who really respect petraeus have gone after him. congressman peter king, rogers

protection. melissa: your final idea is being defensive in stocks. what do you mean by that? >> yeah. i don't see anything atrackive saying i have to buy stocks right now.th they are within 10% of the all-time highs, even with the pullback. there's an argument saying theyi are cheap, but i don't know we're past everything that hasyi to come to light, all the debt debate, the fiscal cliff,, capital gains taxes. there's no compelling reason toe buy here over the next two to three months. let some of this pass, use your assets in other places, raise cash, and then you're in a better position to earn money once 2013 starts. melissa: the thing your ideas have in common is an idea of hunkering down, and sort of of having this investment over a long period of time. why wouldn't you hunker down within the target? give president obama credit thah whether it's because of the fed and easy money or whatever it's been, the stock market has donee well. would you buy some favorite stocks and plan on holding theme through the entire next four years? >> you know, i've always been an advocate of buying stocks

. >> israel retaliating with more than 2000 targeted airstrike, israeli defense ministry confirming 19 hamas senior come centers, and 30 op practicetives, and funnelling tunnels were destroyed much operation pillar of defense lasting 8 days, and conflict coming to an end for the time being, a ceasefire com commencig just a few hours ago that the prime minister be benjamin thate nat warns needenetanyahu warnin. >> the army is ready when needed. the state of israel has to try to achieve a ceasefire which will be continuous. >> tha netanyahu added he agreeo give the ceasefire a chant after speaking with president obama. secretary of state clinton announced the ceasefire at a joint press conference with the egyption foreign minister, secretary clinton praised egyptian president, and muslim brotherhood member morsi for brokering the mosque. that is considered a terrorist organization by the u.s. government, of course. >> i want to thank president morsi for his leadership in ending the violent, this is a critical moment for the region. egypt a new government is assuming the responsibility an

city. it is fragile. israeli defense forces say there are five rockets launched from gaza since the cease-fire went into effect. and prime minister benjamin netanyahu's statement was cautious. he said he was willing to give the egyptian cease-fire a chance before there is a need to use greater force. not exactly a ringing endorsement. here's the key thing, while the united states got involved with a visit from hillary clinton this deal was not brokered by the usa. >> this is a critical moment for the region. egypt's new government is assuming the responsibility and leadership that has long made this country a corner stone of regional stability and peace. >> seemingly unexpected leader was egypt's mohamed morsi, a man we've seen at rallies where egyptians chanted we are hamas. it's an impressive feat and the first time that israel has ever negotiated with an islamist government. but there are some shady things about the deal. according to an israeli newspaper, neither side officially signed penned to paper on the cease-fire agreement which raise sometimes questions about it. and here

prosecuted by the by the same as are running the court and in a lot of cases are your defense attorneys i won't be accepting state attorney to defend me however i think i myself. say yeah good point i mean every state has has different laws of course cops lock founder out of me or having to serve three months in jail for pacifically this recording a conversation trying to i mean they're recording everything that we can do so when you're a traitor record a conversation or try to expose some sort of corruption of course the law comes down hard on us and. and i just want to ask you this technology exists now to surveil their walls cops might have the ability to bring drugs if in dogs here neighborhood and of course trap wire i mean the extensive surveillance apparatus all across the country collectively what is the biggest problem that arises from the surveillance state and well the over time it's your privacy just keeps getting eroded over further and the old question that the state defenders will ask is well if you don't have anything to hide why do you care and the thing is maybe you don'

israeli defense forces, and the leader of hamas, plus, the reporters on the ground, and we'll look at what transpired over the last 24 hours. it is remarkable there was a cease-fire this hour, when you consider how this wednesday started off. take a look. at mid-day, no sign of a truce yet when a city bus is bombed in tel aviv. at least two dozen were wounded. israeli police say hamas left the bombs on the bus. only one exploded. hamas praised the attack, but the group didn't claim responsibility. farther south, an israeli home was hit by a rocket, room after room, left in ruins. according to the military, more than 60 rockets were fired from gaza today, with more than 40 landed in israel. the others were intercepted. across the border in gaza, the explosions throughout the morning and afternoon. a 100 strikes confirmed by the israelis today before the cease-fire. the sky covered in smoke, the city on edge. cnn's a away -- arwa damon has more. >> reporter: there is a bouquet lying there amidst the rubble. it appears in this case, the target of the strike was the police station behind

continue working on the 2013 defense programs policy bill, possible debate on 100th a minute and "roll call" votes happening throughout the day. senate lawmakers also continuing work on the floor on the fiscal cliff. majority whip senator dick durbin spoke about bipartisan negotiations to try to avoid the fiscal cliff at an event earlier this week at the center for american progress. we will show you as much of this as we can into the senate gavels in at 9:30 a.m. >> we are thrilled to have senator durbin to talk about his views on the fiscal cliff, and the framework. i think as we engage in this debate i just want to let a few things that are critical. as washington becomes obsessed with this issue. first and foremost, i think it will have consequences and that cap we have argued that the issues that are really framing the fiscal debate and fiscal cliff are ones that were actually dictated in the election context. the president didn't have one set of complications, and a second set now. really there was a thread going through the debates as was happening to add that thread was about h

sequester of the defense spending cuts and we're not going to fold the debt ceiling increase into this deal, and i think the white house was very taken aback by the meagerness of that offer. and so there's a different tone. but if the substance is going to be enough and the time is short, it's really going to be complicated to get this done by the end of the year. >> mosark, if the debt ceiling not wrapped up, the president is not going for it. he does not want to face this twice. >> it's impossible to imagine, that's such a key piece for the white house, just not to have this fight again. it's going to have to be a joint whip operation in the house. i think there will be a period from the time there's a deal amongst the leaders in the bipartisan leadership in the white house, there will be a period from then until it gets passage in the house that will look like where are the votes going to possibly come from. but if stan hoyer and john boehner are willing to do a deal that they can both support, i think they can get to a majority in the house. the key -- the real trick is the two-par

hear from the spokeswoman for the israeli defense forces and the leader much hamas. plus, a reporter on the ground and whole lot more. we begin with a look at what has transpired over the last 24 hours, and it's remarkable there is a cease-fire at this hour when you consider how this wednesday started off. take a look. at mid day, no sign of a truce when a city bus is bombed in tell aviv, two dozen people twounded. terrorists left two bombs on the bus and fled. only one exploded. hamas praised attack, near the headquarters of the israeli defense forces. farther south, an israeli home hit by a rocket. room after room, left in ruins. according to the israeli military, more than 60 rockets were fired from gaza today, more than 40 landing in southern israel. others were intercepted. across the border in gaza several large explosions throughout the morning and afternoon. 100 strikes confirmed by israeli authorities today before the cease-fire. the skyline of gaza city covered in smoke. the city on edge. on some streets, buildings were turned to rubble. ar arwa damon got a look what's left

would be to find out how they did well. >> defense secretary leon panetta says america's fight against hawkeye is moving beyond clear combat zones, requiring -- against al qaeda is moving beyond clear combat zone. he also discusses the impact of the so-called fiscal cliff, also budget cuts to the defense department. this is an hour and 15 minutes. [applause] >> thank you for coming. it is an honor to be back and an honor to be introducing my old boss. as you know, secretary of the net debt is one of the most respected and experienced hands in washington. his resume is legendary. chairman of the budget committee back in the day when they actually passed a budget, director of the office of management and budget, and chief of staff to president clinton when the white house, director of the central intelligence agency, and now secretary of defense, so the question is what in the world are you going to do next. this extraordinary resume does not do justice to the man. leon panetta is a wonderful human being and in some ways a man of contrasts. i am going to give you examples. he is known am

piece did manage to achieve compromise on defense and security the european parliament passed a resolution aimed at keeping national military to full strength i spoke to david campbell bannerman who voted against the move he says the bill isn't about security concerns though and that it highlighted some rather disturbing ambitions. it really does trespass international responsibilities for the fans and it's talking about the e.u. looking after it its citizens you know so it's a direct assault on sovereignty as i said this really is about politics rather than the military this is about actually furthering the cause of it of one united states and europe because they want a single army a single defense industry they want control from the part of their foreign policy and they're actually involved in they want to go in for the high intensity conflicts in their terminology and that means war in my terminology they want to actually you to be involved in wars and to commit our soldiers and our airmen and our navy people into these kind of conflicts and that is not acceptable coming up i

a done deal. in the next hour we will hear from the spokeswoman for the israeli defense forces and we begin with a look at what has transpired over the last 24 hours. and it is remarkable that there is a cease fire when you consider how this wednesday started off. at midday no sign of atruce yet. at least two dozen people wounded. hamas praised the attack near the headquarters of the defense forces. farther south, a home was hit by a rocket. room after room left in ruins. more than 60 rockets were fired from gaza today. the others were intercepted. across the border in fagaza several large explosioned. the skyline of the city covered in smoke. the city on edge. on some streets buildings were turned to rubble. >> there used to be a small well-known shop here that has branchs throughout the city selling wedding and party dresses. there is a bouquet lying there in the rubble. the tar bet of the strike was the police station behind it. >> after hours of intense negotiations, hillary clinton and egyptian president announced the cease fire. >> for it to hold the rocket attacks must end a

their guard down as on defense and security their pay in parliament voted through a resolution to keep national militaries at full strength poly boyko explains and that warning is that we do seem defense budget could lead to the e.u. strategic decline. defense is giving the european union sleepless nights with the book still reeling from an economic heart attack it's no surprise that its combined military strength has taken a hit now i mean them brought souls have approved a resolution saying that they must respond to a growing strategic changes and threats to global security and make full use of all existing means including military ones to secure peace and security for its citizens this means a new operational headquarters is on the cards and that the bosses will have the oath or see to jump into all types of crises including what it calls high intensity conflicts otherwise known as wars it's a question of business as well your m.p. stressed that building up europe's capabilities would save and even create jobs pumping more investment into the military industry not all member states

message that the missiles are not going to succeed against israel because their defenses against short-range missiles, in this case, with the iron dome system, but also with the patriot system against possible iranian long-range missiles is going to take leverage away from iran. keep pulling the world together against iran. that's the source of the problem. >> what about the gaza cease-fire? when do hostilities begin again? when does fighting begin again? how much time has been purchased? >> if egypt will take a strong role here to stop the tunnels from being used for weaponry getting into gaza, this could lead to a real plus. >> you know, i read something this week, robert keegan wrote, this is not a question of american influence in the region, it's american interests to take on all of these difficult problems. you talk about syria, the oppression there. conn condoleezza rice arguing in an op-ed this morning in "the washington post" that the u.s. has to do something, yes, it's risky, but there has to be more involvement. the breakdown of the middle east state system is a graver risk

. israel is acting 100% in self-defense. i feel a little happier if the obama administration were more precise about that and not play the game this is a situation where we have to de-escalate everybody. there is only one side that needs to be deescalated, that is the palestinians. if they continue to do it israel will invade them and have to take matters into their own hands and try to destroy hamas. >> greta: which would be catastrophic to many palestinians. according to the state department when secretary of state hillary clinton met with prime minister netanyahu to talk about this topic about de-escalate. tell me how you think -- what is that conversation? >> i can't imagine. the conversation about deescalation, has to be with the palestinians. i don't know what she would have been saying. don't let them bomb you and don't respond? it's absurd. it's again part of this moral equivalency we've again been going through 20 years in the way we deal with this which only encourages hamas. they are further encourage by the muslim brotherhood running egypt, morsi who takes their side.

side of the border israeli defense forces reported that 30 rockets were fired into their airspace, the israeli airspace from gaza but most of those rockets were then destroyed by israel's iron dome security shield that we talked about here last night. five israelis have been killed in the conflict so far. and while israel still hasn't sent ground troops into gaza, get this. 16,000 soldiers are now standing ready at the border of gaza which, of course, makes tomorrow's negotiations all the more critical. so joining me now for prospective on the conflict is hussein ibish a senior fellow at the american task force on palestine. he's coming to us via skype from pompton plains, new jersey. hussein, welcome back inside "the war room." >> thank you governor. >> jennifer: you bet. so what, just to bring people up to speed, what are the palestinians asking for this negotiation? >> well, hamas, to be specific because hamas is not the diplomatic representative. that's the plo but there is this division between the west bank and gaza. what hamas wants at this point is pretty clearly is to agr

time around, the rules are vastly different. israel's missile defense system has greatly improved, the iron dome will when incoming rockets that israel is taking on a better armed hamas. this all presenting a serious challenge for both the united states and the obama administration and obstacles in creating a genuine palestinian peace process. we will take all of that up tonight with admiral james lyons. congressman louie gohmert of texas will also be here fred also, president obama has no plan to announce tax cuts and spending cuts. why they don't add up to anything meaningful. lou: the testimony before congress has been surveyed. congressman mike rogers. everyone else has testified that they didn't. do you agree? >> i do agree. and the deputies committee, i'm sure the white house representatives of national security from the national security agency council had their orders. lou: general david petraeus says for his part, one of the confusing things -- confusion between the testimony he gave to congress three days after september 11 and what he said over the past few days in cong

pardon. who was the secretary of defense caspar weinberger i mean this guy was directly involved with purchasing a weapon selling weapons to iran even though the congress had outlawed selling weapons to iran so that they could find contra rebel groups in nicaragua i mean everybody came out of that scot free so that's one of the more controversial ones other ones include the president ford giving a pardon to president nixon after a white watergate scandal mean people were outraged this caused a lot of you know emotional upheaval with the people with the american people and so i mean that's one of those really controversial ones as well in fact president ford's press secretary even resigned as a result of that the thing is that you know it's it's there's so many pardons that take place not all of them a controversial but some of them are going to be and that's the ones that we have to look out for and without having the transparency to do so it's really hard to know whether you are actually you know pardoning injustice like real injustice right right it seems like it almost a pit in my

with dozens of rockets, 62. about a third were intercepted by the iron dome defense system. this attack, a bomb, a public bus around lunch time, not far from israel's military headquarters. the blast wounded 24 people, added a new urgency to efforts to reach a cease-fire. the military wing of hamas tweeted to israelis, you opened the gates of hell on yourselves. 40 minutes after the bus bombing, our cameras captured this explosion in gaza city. all the while there was a flurry of diplomating activity. secretary clinton met with palestinian authority mahmoud abbas in the west bank and benjamin net ya knetanahu in ca. let's go straight to fred pleitgen where sirens have been going off earlier. and joining us is ben wedeman in the gaza strip, gaza city. fred, what are you seeing now in ashkelon? >> reporter: >> from ted pleitgen, have the rockets stopped in ashkelon? >> reporter: the rockets, yes, have stopped in ashkelon. it was interesting, because up until about a minute before our broadcast began, there were still booms that were heard in the sky. and about ten minutes ago we ha

defense system. it shot down hundreds of missiles fired from gaza. today, the missile interceptor is meant to stop mid range missiles up to 180 miles, the next stage in what israel calls a multi layer missile defense. >> and new york mayor announcing a federal grant to hire unemployed people for clean up efforts after the storm expected to put 5,000 new yorkers to work, also announcing the state is partnering with fema to replace fema workers with new yorkers. now back to "countdown to dooms day". sday. >> bill: december 21, 2012 is the winter solstice what some people call doomsday. six months before it was the summer solstice and thousands of yoga lovers were celebrating in new york city's time square. it was literally a far stretch from doomsdayers. >> there is nothing to suggest that gigantic floods and earthquakes will destroy our world. >> there are prophesy that has say the world is going to end. >> i think what we're dealing with is denial of our own deaths. >> this obscure relic monument 6 is the focus of the mayan countdown to doomsday. worn and this strange thing translate

, and other u.s.-israeli missile defense programs. i'm sunling that that is something that the u.s. as well as the israelis certainly were talking about to actually bolster that defense system. >> it's worked rather well so far, that iron dome. it's israeli developed, but it's funded, in part, in large part, by the united states to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars so far. as part of this package deal, it looks like the u.s. is making a further commitment. the president of the united states to the prime minister of israel. that funding will continue, and the israelis have been pretty grateful about it. when i spoke to the israeli president shimon peres this morning, suzanne, he said that there would be a lot more israeli deaths, a lot more israeli injuries if it wasn't for this iron dome system that the u.s. has helped israel with in terms of funding and some technology development, and he was grateful to the united states. he was very profusive in his praise of president obama, and when i said to simon peres that it was only a few weeks ago that mitt romney, the republic

negotiations still happening now. we'll also hear from the spokeswoman for the israeli defense forces and from the leader of hamas. plus our reporters on the ground and a whole lot more. we begin with a look at what has transpired over just the last 24 hours. it is remarkable there was a cease-fire this hour, when you consider how this wednesday started off. take a look. add midday, no sign of a truce yet when a city bus is bombed in tel-aviv. at least two dozen were wounded. israeli police say terrorists left two bombs on the bus and fled. only one exploded. hamas praised the attack near the headquarters of the israeli defense forces but the group didn't claim responsibility. farther south in israeli a home was hit by a rocket, room after room left in ruins. according to the military, more than 60 rockets were fired from gaza today, with more than 40 landed in israel. the others were intercepted. across the border in gaza, several large explosions throughout the morning and afternoon. 100 strikes confirmed by the israelis today before the cease-fire. the sky covered in smoke,

conflict, is this administration hesitant to embrace missile defense for the u.s. why wouldn't we be more forward than we are? >> it's very important question. i think you have seen in this administration a concern about offending in the case of missile defense for us offending the russians when we had plans to put missile defense systems in czech area and poll and. what we are seeing is larger issue is gaza versus israel. it's important to remind people that israelis withdrew from gaza and handed the territory over to the palestinians. so when you hear people saying the problem here is the israelis aren't well to give up land for peace, what we're seeing on the screen and what we are seeing unfold the palestinians don't want hamas does not want to live in peace. they have no concerns at all about killing israeli civilians or putting their own missile launchers where their own civilians will be killed. this president's policy of withdrawing from the world, retreating from the region has put iran in a position where they, in fact, feel emboldened. we saw today reports of the internati

technique that i have observed that works and is helpful for the department of the defense. talking about a strategy, a broader view, and then through the report get into the details. in the congress, we have all these different committees that claimed some part of the jurisdiction. i had a simple solution. pete, we need some energy legislation and leadership. good luck. every now and then, i would get into his territory and he would teach me a lesson about how far i could get into energy policy because he would come to me and say we have to do this differently. one of the questions i know people will ask -- why are you doing it now? the obama administration will have an opportunity to look at these proposals in november and december and hopefully decide to take advantage of them and use them next year. also i am hopeful and will recommend that this not just be administrative action. congress should implement this, too. beyond that, we will have the proper recommendations with regard to other issues of security, jobs, efficiencies, innovation. this is such an important part of our e

congress, second to national defense. he felt the school security and national security were one in the same. he was right. even though he fought for fiscal responsibility, he was not the sort of fiscal conservative who was disagreeable about it. his rough exterior was such the opposite of a soft interior. he was a good man. the open secret in washington was warren rudman winning sells machine was a large part of gramm-rudman becoming law. i do not mean in any way to be little the responsibility in the responsibility of center hollins and our man right here. he was really a good salesman. i have to say this about phil graham. mm. phil and i have had a lot of fun over the years. i am famous for saying things i have not -- i'm not supposed to say. i told bill that he -- i have never known him to lose a debate or -- i told phil that i have never known him to lose a debate or when a vote. -- win a vote. he was a center rest never afraid to take on his own party. shortly before announcing he would not seek a third term to serve people of new hampshire, he took both parties to task. he sa

fiscal cliff, affordable care act, and defense -- the future of the republican party. the senator has written about several books and reports including his latest, "the debt bomb." medical doctor, senator, and author, tom coburn on c-span and2. >> arizona senator john mccain called the zero obama's policy towards syria -- called the obama's policy toward syria shameful. this is just about one hour. >> good afternoon. the last session before lunch, the good guys, the special burden on democratic nations. we have a star-studded cast and i will hand it over to our moderator, kathleen koch. >> . ruhle for joining us today. the title of our panel in and of itself, "the good guys?" it reflects the self doubt that many of us have had today house we'll lot at a recent intervention in countries like iraq, afghanistan. we asked ourselves, were we the good guys? did we get it right? did we do the right thing? did we do more harm than good? in our panel today, i would like us not to look back, not to rehash the past, but let's look forward and really reflect on the lessons learned in these in